suspension

[gcorner]

Hello
I was after info on what springs and shocks people are running, brand, pounds, etc. I am planning on keeping the struts and just upgrading springs and shocks for a while.
Cheers Glenn.

[Whitey]

Hi Glenn,
most people are running height adjustable coilovers of some form or another.
DMS seems to be the most popular, Don't know about inserts for standard struts.

As far as springs brands- eibach, kings and lovells but rates seem to be between 200-280 lb/inch in the front and 120-150lb/inch in the back.

[fro]

Wow, that's soft at the back... but then, I'm used to the 180B, where I'm running 175lb at the front and 720lb in the back... and the Excel is FWD, weighs less, and it's balance is entirely different... It's like comparing apples and, umm, squirrels...

[ae86trueno]

We stole Glenn's spring rates,
I think its like 180 in the front and 120 in the rear,
Were running DMS shocks and springs.
But yeah not very stiff, It will be interesting to see how it handles.

Ben.

[ernysp76]

Glenn read your intro, you need to have a look at Tom Kaitlers car he had a roll bar set up with a removable cross brace so the cars rear seat can still be used when not rallying and the car is used as a daily driver when it is not leading the "Rally Drive Victorian Excel Rally Series" it was put together by Kaitler motorsport, they also handle DMS suspension. For my car I recently fitted 260Ib Pedder Front Springs with non-adjustable rally grade Pedder shocks this has lifted the car considerably so I non longer use the sump guard as part of my suspension.

[HMCA]

Guys

Don't know anything about this stuff but the Mayor of Trafalgar has some that he has just tested. I think the jury was still out on how good/reliable it is so do your own research.

www.otomoto.com.au/HSDsystems

[Whitey]

Mick, your linkage seems to be broken

[matt mead]

Mick i had a friend who use to work for otomoto.... and he was processing warranty claims weekly on HSD products..... in his opinion and my own, is that the owner of otomoto is truly in the business to make money, alot of the products he brings in are very questionable in the quality department..... they do make excel coilovers, i highly doubt they would last long at all

http://www.otomoto.com.au/HDSystems/index.htm

i think thats the link he ment to put in ;)

[HMCA]

Matt

That's good to know. I knew there had to be a reason for the stuff being soo cheap.



We will steer clear

Thanks Mick

[fro]

I'm looking at these (but only 'cause they're cheap).

I'm not convinced, but for coilover struts, it's hard to find anything else for the dollars...

http://www.pscmotorsport.com/general/g4%20racing%20coilovers.htm

[matt mead]

lol fro... save ur pennys and get something quality.... they are total china rubbish like the HSD stuff, all the wannabe drifters run them in there silvias...

and u will find like the HSD there more for circuit rather then on the dirt, they use very short stroke shocks with small length springs and very stiff spring rates.

[fro]

Given the price, I figured that was the case... what can I say, I'm being a tight-****. :P

[John C]

save ur pennys and get something quality.... they are total china rubbish like the HSD stuff, all the wannabe drifters run them in there silvias...

and u will find like the HSD there more for circuit rather then on the dirt, they use very short stroke shocks with small length springs and very stiff spring rates.[/quote]


Matt the HSD shock's are manufactured in Korea and after this past week end I would suggest that you may need to check out how well they performed

Fro if you are on a limited budget I would have a look at the HDS setup, it is true that they concentrate on high spring rates but springs are quite inexpensive JC

[matt mead]

lol... im aware that HSD are Koren made, to me that is still china rubbish...

i havent personally used HSD products, i know of lots of ppl who have used them in a circuit/drift application in a vast majority of different cars. People have had varied success with them.... However, a close mate of mine who worked for OTOMOTO,the company who is the importer and reseller for HSD products in australia. He informed me that there where alot of ppl requesting warrenty claims on these products. Most of these where used on circuit cars, which where faced with nice smooth tracks, so i personally believe that they will not preform very well on the dirt for to long.

How long have u had them in ur rally car????? which model do you run???

I know what i have said is all hearsay, but i dont mind been proven wrong, if yours have lasted past the warrenty period and u are getting results with them, my views will change on the topic and it will be good for the series as it will be an even cheaper option for so called good quility and competive suspension...

It will be interesting to see how your car goes against the NSW guys running DMS and noltec...

cheers

Matt

[ernysp76]

Matt you’re kidding me right? Stuff made in Korea is Chinese rubbish? Do you know where Excels were made? Despite their inherent strength and great handling in dirt they are not German; they are in fact wait for it...... Korean!!!! I don't think it helps if we pre-judge things when people are trying to make the series more affordable. From my perspective I've gone to Pedders to seek advice and products as they also have a proud rally history and a different approach to setting up rally cars, viva la difference!!! I don't know if it make me any faster but I know the suspension is tuff and gets the front of my car off the deck while being cheap in addition it is backed by a comany who has people, that until recently put together some prety competitive rally cars.

[matt mead]

haha, u melbourne guys make me laugh ...so..so.. seriouse about everything... its like u try to push ur melbourne pride around or something :crazy:

im quite aware that excels are from korea....and....whats the point?? Holdens are made in Australia doenst mean they dont break down.

meh i have better things to do then argue with u.. i answerd the dudes question using my opinion...the end :finger

[Whitey]

Okay, Boys play nice...

[Whitey]

Given the price, I figured that was the case... what can I say, I'm being a tight-****. :P

Hey Fro, did you have any joy with Hotbits?

[ernysp76]

Comon Matt neither JC or me are Melbourne boys we are in fact country boys you can abrevate that if you want! More than half the new Holden range comes from China sorry Korea, you can pick the models they're the ones that don't have their bonnets up.

Anyone know when the sup regs will be up for Bega?

[bal080]

Hello,

Me i ride in belgium championships rally with a Hyundai Excel X3.
For the suspension i use the bilstein B6 with a special pressure.
It's very good.

[matt mead]

i just spoke to my good friend at otomoto, the importer of HSD coilovers.

he informed me that the only model that comes for the excel is the HR

from the otomoto site:
HR Series $1599 - $1649
Our very popular HR series is perfect for race and drift use, offering great control and adjustability at an affordable price. Featuring a larger daimater damper (44mm piston) with stiffer valving and 15-step damper adjustment, they also have stiffer spring rates than the HS series. These can still be used for regular driving, but the stiff, short-stroke design is biased more toward the circuit. All HR models feature pillow-ball top mounts front and rear, with camber adjustment on strut suspension models. The dampers are also inverted on strut models for greater strength.

i thought u where not allowed to have damper adjustment :confused: or am i mistaken..

[Whitey]

i thought u where not allowed to have damper adjustment :confused: or am i mistaken..

Yep, correct. external adjustment is not allowed. The short travel might be an issue also.

[matt mead]

Well that makes HSD coilovers not an option

[Crazy Dave]

Noticed some Koni's on ebay for anyone interested. (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HYUNDI-EXCEL-KONI-SHOCK-ABSORBER_W0QQitemZ280119430386QQihZ018QQcategoryZ1 256QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem)
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HYUNDI-EXCEL-KONI-SHOCK-ABSORBER_W0QQitemZ280119430386QQihZ018QQcategoryZ1 256QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem