Costs and Whats needed

[matt mead]

hello everyone, im trying to get into this series and give rallying ago, but i am a complete novice and have no idea and was jsut owdnering what i would need and how much would it be to build one of these cars???

thanks alot

[luke_how]

This is about how long I think it will take myself to do the folowing jobs. This list is only apoximate!!

The costs all depend on how much work you get sourced out and where you buy your materials from! You can get more information if you click on the FAQ tab, at the top of the page.


Hyundai Excel Rally Car Preperation


Work/ Hours

Trim
strip and prepare car for work/ 10
fit 6 point roll cage/ 50
fabricate mounting brackets for seats
seat belts , terra trim ect ect/ 15
paint all work carried out/ 7
terra trip metre
pair racing seats plus mounting brakets/ 10
pair 6 point racing harness/ 1
fire extinguisher/ 1
first aid kit/
safty triagles

brakes
replace brake lines with braded lines/ 4
check and inspect all components/ 2
fabricate and fit cooling ducts to front brakes/ 6
fit brake biast valve/ 5
change brake pads and fliud/ 3

gear box
change oil/ 1

engine
check valve clearance/ 3
carry out out a full service/ 4
fit high flow air cleaner/ 0.5
fit under engine tray/ 10

front suspension
fit revalved b6 bilstein shockers/ 2
fit springs/ 2

rear suspension
fit revalved b6 bilstien shockers/ 2
fit springs/ 2

Diff
change oil/ 1

Total/ 129


Spares
front legs
rear legs
wheels and tyres
engine mount
lower control arms front
drive shaft
oils cleaners
tools
service vehicle including petrol



Cheers Luke

[Crazy Dave]

To just get in and start rallying, all you need is an X3 excel (varies but from about $2000-) and then some basic safety gear, roll cage (from $1000-), harnesses (from $200-), fire extinguisher (from $40-), first aid kit ($20-), triangles ($10-)etc.

The car must be fitted with mud flaps behind all wheels (big durable mud flaps as outlined in the cams manual). (price depends on how innovative you want to be from zero dollars (I used a laminated plastic paper clip board on a car several years ago))

If you fit a sports steering wheel (you don't have to) it can't have any wood in it.

Then to make life easier for your nav (people occasionally do with out but it is not recomended you also need a trip meter (from $300-) and intercom (bike ones from $40- but better of with a decent one for a few hundred).

You also need a helmet, and if you want to go in a state round then you need a race suit. That is going to depend a bit on what state you are in.

That would get you into it. The beauty of the excel series is from just being able to run to having a car built to run at the top is not that expensive (relatively) as a full outright competitve car could be built for around $10 000. This would get you competitive with the quickest excels in Australia.

You need to get a rally licence when your getting closer and these are about $125- and you need to do 2 driving tests to get this, such as a motorkhana and a khanacross which if your lucky could be done on the one day. These are a really fun way to start and you can do these with your standard car while you are building it (you don't even need a cage). This will get you training on throwing the car around for the quickest possible way around the corners.

I have probably forgotten some things, but keep asking anything you can think of. If you are near Sydney on the 20th Jan, come to the open day as you will learn heaps, see the cars up close and get to ask any questions and have them answerred on the spot.

DR

[matt mead]

thank guys that was perfect....

ive currently been doing circuit racing in a a86 coupe, so i have a cams L2NS license, but i cant drive to ts full potential as im scared of crashing it, so i think this excel series would be perfect... illl be racing in the NSW comp.... i cant wait going excel hunting next week :)

thanks for your help guys

[Whitey]

Hi Matt,
if you are free next Saturday (20th) then maybe you should come down to our open day and meet all the comepetitors and check out their cars.

[HMCA]

Hi guys

Here is most of the build costs for our Excel. I know there are some expenses that are missing but its a good list for people to consider.

Now we didn't get this much to run the cars and we didn't spend anywhere near this amount in 2006. It's always easier to go down on budgets then go up. Most of the middle list didn't get spent and you don't want to know how much the decals and artwork cost.

We brought everything new and as you can see we spent a lot on this gear. It was important for us to built a car that best represented Hyundai hence the degree of preparation.

[matt mead]

Hi Matt,
if you are free next Saturday (20th) then maybe you should come down to our open day and meet all the comepetitors and check out their cars.

ill be free, id luv to come and have a chat, where is it located???

[matt mead]

Hi guys

Here is most of the build costs for our Excel. I know there are some expenses that are missing but its a good list for people to consider.

Now we didn't get this much to run the cars and we didn't spend anywhere near this amount in 2006. It's always easier to go down on budgets then go up. Most of the middle list didn't get spent and you don't want to know how much the decals and artwork cost.

We brought everything new and as you can see we spent a lot on this gear. It was important for us to built a car that best represented Hyundai hence the degree of preparation.

thanks for that, does hyundai wanna sponser me :P

Interesting, no expense spared with that build up

[MrBob]

does hyundai wanna sponser meGet in Line!!!:D

[ae86trueno]

hay matty

Also check out Fowles and Pickles auctions salvage for cars

we purchased ours for $1000 from pickles over at morebank with the small ding on the side. the auctions are great fun :D

Cheers
Ben.

[ae86trueno]

there are a couple of good cars this week like

http://www.pickles.com.au/servlet/Auction/VehicleDetail?item_id=202030734

http://www.pickles.com.au/servlet/Auction/VehicleDetail?item_id=202030783

cheers
Ben.

[Motographics]

[QUOTE=blu997;87]Hi guys

....... and you don't want to know how much the decals and artwork cost.

QUOTE]

Car Graphics can seem expensive but they must be seen in the context of what they get you - if your sponsorship (or pursuit of sponsorship) requires the graphics be in place then you don't get the sponsorship without them.

Get a quote and talk to the sponsor about the whole package - it is no good securing $1000 worth of support and then spending $800 of it on signage (unless it is maybe an initial gesture with a plan for future negotiation). We always suggest that you build the signage cost into the sponsorship as some corporates are able to split the expenditure between different cost centres e.g. the support may come from the Promotions budget but the signage might come from general admin expenses or something.

I am not sure who Blu997 is (Mick?), but if we took the Hyundai-supported car as an example of a fairly complex and very attractive job then our price to do that car, including designing the artwork and mockups; producing the graphics in premium quality vinyl; and installation at our workshop in Prospect might be around the $2k mark (conditions apply :D ). I should add that we did not do the graphics on this car and I do not know what was charged so I'm going out on a limb here :o !

If you had 5 small supporters who were prepared to chip in $200 for their stickers then you would already be halfway there even without a major sponsor.

Also, if you are going to be chasing serious support, consider including mockups of the car in you initial sponsorship documents - a picture is worth a thousand dollars..err..words!:D

I didn't intend this post to be an advert (well maybe a little :p ) but I would hate people to be put off by the cost of making their cars look as good as possible thereby lifting the image of the series. Image and presentation are critical to growth and acceptance.

See you all on Saturday.

[HMCA]

Dave

Everything you say is absolutely correct and was taken into consideration when we first did the orginal budget 2005. Yes you need to consider this when aproaching sponsors. James at Motorgraphics has done some decals for us in the past and we will in future be contacting Dave and James first.

The problem we had was a middle man issue where we were using a marketing company to co-ordinate the process. They have some nice cars out the front!!!

I did however want to get the second opinion (like going to the doctor) but this was not too much of an option at the time. We have since parted company with these guys and are dealing direct with signage suppliers saving a considerable percentage. The service from Motorgraphics has been great and the guys have always come to the party at some short notice. I'm a strong supporter of rally supply network and always prefer to spend our money with rally people.

Most of the rework that has been done on the cars has been the Victorian car(sorry Greg) and the rework that had to happen to my car was done straight after the Bay 2006 when the car went to Melboune.

Lastly I fully support Dave's thoughts on having the cars look as good as possible. I have found that good presentation of the product has helped us get additional Sponsorship. Our car must look OK as Ema's car is very close- The only difference being the pink is on the outside on Ema's car as opposed to our skirts.

Cheers Mick